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Grant by Ron Chernow
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This book requires a serious time commitment. Grant lived 132 years ago, not so long in the course of things. Much had been written about him at the time, and much after. He himself wrote memoirs that are highly regarded and that showed his intelligence and shrewdness. His mother-in-law Dent, Julia’s mother, noticed that although he had failings (alcohol) and could sometimes get off-track career-wise (an inability to make money as an independent entrepreneur), he had a fine political mind. That his mother-in-law, a supporter of southern slave-holdings, had such good things to say about his instincts is impressive in itself.

The cover copy says Grant was unappreciated for much of his career. This should give succor to individuals who struggle through various jobs, unable to find something in which they can excel. Grant went to West Point almost by accident, disliking the jobs assigned him by his father, a tanner. He apparently hated the smell of the tannery and warm blood, and found himself unable to eat meat unless it was charred beyond recognition. His horsemanship was legendary, even from a young age, and the skill served him well throughout his military career. That career stalled after a stint in the Mexican War, and revived during the Civil War when he could showcase his particular skills in strategy and logistics.

The book cannot adequately be recapitulated in short form, so I resort to impressions hammered home by Chernow in a thousand examples: that Grant decided to trust certain people whether they were knaves or not. He tended to hold onto his initial impressions even when he had reason to abandon support for individuals who’d done him wrong. It strikes me that this failing of his, a failing of accuracy in judgment, could be a reason he as so well liked as a leader. He was loyal, generous, kind, and willing to forgive as well as extraordinarily skilled himself in being able to read a battlefield, the condition of his men, and the heart of the opposition.

Grant was not as skilled at the diplomacy he would later be asked to perform in his role as president, though he gave more positions to people of color than any previous government, and he was instrumental in reforming the civil service. I would like to read more about a diplomat that Chernow seems to praise above all others, Hamilton Fish, Secretary of State for the entire of Grant’s presidency.

More than anything, Chernow makes clear that Grant’s life, despite the lofty heights of public regard during certain periods, was a real struggle all the way through. Never has a presidency seemed like such a bum job: after having fought a terrible, bloody war on one’s own soil for so many years, Grant had to face the unrepentant vanquished again as leader of a divided nation. The racism and bitterness we see and hear now is a mere echo of what was going on during Reconstruction, when every attempt to raise the quality of life of black people was fought every step of the way. Makes one want to force those who refuse to accept their defeat to their knees now—no more talk, no more accommodation. I wish it were as simple as bringing out the big guns (the law) and ending this. But we see now how deep the sense of entitlement still is.

Any portion of this book is worthwhile to read even if you can’t get to the whole thing. It's so important to recall the details of the Civil War and its aftermath now, in this time of division in our own country. If I had my druthers, this book would be shorter. My brain’s ROM has been gummed up with this work for months now and it nearly crashed my hard drive. I feel I am cheating in some way by not being able to express more moments of revelation, but there were so many. I’m sure there is something to be said for putting in every detail of a man and his country, and perhaps it is reasonable to repeat oneself occasionally. Readers may select portions, or spread out the reading over a long period. However, it is difficult to digest a book of this size.

I listened to the audio of this book and looked over the hard copy. The audio was very well read by veteran actor Mark Bramhall, and it was produced by Penguin Audio.
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September 22, 2017 – Started Reading
September 22, 2017 – Shelved
September 22, 2017 – Shelved as: audio
September 22, 2017 – Shelved as: america
September 22, 2017 – Shelved as: biography
September 22, 2017 – Shelved as: family
September 22, 2017 – Shelved as: government
September 22, 2017 – Shelved as: history
September 22, 2017 – Shelved as: nonfiction
September 22, 2017 – Shelved as: political-science
September 22, 2017 – Shelved as: war
September 22, 2017 –
page 50
4.66% "This is a great read, both in length and in detail. Maybe there is just more detail than for other generals, but Chernow is expansive. Listening to the audio. Chernow is admiring, and extremely interesting in what he decides to focus on. Absorbing."
October 6, 2017 –
40.0% "Chernow is especially nuanced on the subject of Grant's tendency towards drunkenness, and is protective of his reputation in this regard. Recognizing alcoholism as a disease is one thing; confronting a superior officer with the disease is another. But Grant was not a drunk while commanding.

What Chernow cannot explain is why Grant was such a great judge of character in his opponents & not in his superiors."
October 15, 2017 –
50.0% "Chernow makes the case that Confederate officer Braxton Bragg (the man the U.S. base is named after) was a pretty horrible man and crappy officer who did not like to listen to orders. Why on earth we named a base after him I don't know, but I don't like it. Why do we have ANY bases named after Confederates?"
October 25, 2017 –
60.0% "Wow. This book is long, but Chernow show where the roots of the present-day insistence on white-rights grew from the kindnesses shown defeated soldiers and officers at Appomattox, and in the presidency of small-man Johnson after the death of Lincoln, a man much so larger in deed. It is difficult not to take these lessons to heart (or to arms)."
November 4, 2017 – Finished Reading

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message 1: by HBalikov (new)

HBalikov "My brain’s ROM has been gummed up with this work for months now and it nearly crashed my hard drive. I feel I am cheating in some way by not being able to express more moments of revelation, but there were so many. I’m sure there is something to be said for putting in every detail of a man and his country, and perhaps it is reasonable to repeat oneself occasionally."

Sounds challenging as an audiobook. I think I will stick with the book, itself.


message 2: by Alan (new)

Alan Can't imagine this is as good as Grant's own memoirs, published by Twain, who made a good bit of money on 'em as I recall. (Could be wrong--Twin lost on several of his investments...principally a typesetting machine in his Hartford House now, which bankrupted him.) But Grant writes wonderfully, in his dying year. I recall esp his hearing coyotes, I believe, and overestimating the number. This was on his way to Mexico, eaarly on...


Trish Alan wrote: "Can't imagine this is as good as Grant's own memoirs, published by Twain, who made a good bit of money on 'em as I recall. (Could be wrong--Twin lost on several of his investments...principally a t..."

Yes, you could be right. It could also be that the most interesting parts of this book come directly from Grant's own recollections and writings. I'd love to look over those memoirs (several volumes, as I recall?) but this was such an undertaking time-wise, in some senses I want to move on. I would like to know more about Hamilton Fish, though. You wouldn't have come across anything like that, would you?


Trish HBalikov wrote: ""My brain’s ROM has been gummed up with this work for months now and it nearly crashed my hard drive. I feel I am cheating in some way by not being able to express more moments of revelation, but t..."

Yeah, there really is no getting around it: the undertaking in audio or print is huge. I guess for most people I would recommend ordering it from the library and reading as hard and fast as you can, from wherever you decide to start, for the duration of the library loan. Even that would give folks an understanding of his character, and his challenges.


message 5: by Karen· (new)

Karen· Ha, yes! I like your ROM/hard drive analogy. I ploughed through Titan: The Life of John D. Rockefeller, Sr. earlier this year and took to reading while walking round the room as I couldn't sit for the length of time needed. But well worthwhile.


Trish ·Karen· wrote: "Ha, yes! I like your ROM/hard drive analogy. I ploughed through Titan: The Life of John D. Rockefeller, Sr. earlier this year and took to reading while walking round the room as I coul..."

Makes one wonder how many assistants Chernow has working for him. He's become an industry. He can write any way he wishes, but I think I prefer less rather than more: more insight, less detail. We could move on to other books written about the man, for instance, Grant's own memoirs. At this point, I feel so blown-out from the whole experience I can't move on to another that would be complementary...like a book on Hamilton Fish.


message 7: by Ken (new)

Ken Serious time commitment, indeed! I want to read it, too, but could use a summer vacation to do so.


Trish Ken wrote: "Serious time commitment, indeed! I want to read it, too, but could use a summer vacation to do so."

Yes, I have been thinking about my comment about 'more insight, less detail' and think if he'd given less detail we may not accept his insight. Don't know. Just know that I ordered Allan Nevin's Hamilton Fish: The Inner History of the Grant Administration. God knows I must move on, but Chernow did make me interested enough to carry on.


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Daniel Chaikin I have been eyeing this one on audio...but it really really long. Still, your review, which is excellent, encourages me.


Trish Daniel wrote: "I have been eyeing this one on audio...but it really really long. Still, your review, which is excellent, encourages me."

It is worthwhile, Daniel, with all the caveats above. I kept on because I had specific memories of events in his life that are better known and I wanted to see how Chernow addressed them.

Do you have a specific aspect of the period that you are interested to see him address? For military buffs, the battle section would be interesting I suspect, though perhaps they know all the battles and how they played out.

It was the more personal detail, like Grant riding an entire day in bad weather, or falling beneath his horse on a rain-slicked path and suffering physically while dealing with an exploding battlefield that made an impression. And his occasional drunkenness...struggling with alcoholism with all the pressures he bore...and then later, during his presidency, when the nastiness of people threatened to collapse his efforts at Reconstruction.

Yeah, it's worth it, but there was so much and it took so long I have only a hazy impression of the whole.


message 11: by Daniel (new)

Daniel Chaikin Trish wrote: "Daniel wrote: "I have been eyeing this one on audio...but it really really long. Still, your review, which is excellent, encourages me."

It is worthwhile, Daniel, with all the caveats above. I kep..."


Oddly my main interest is in what went wrong in his presidency. For a long time I had assumed he was just a bad corruptible person, but a good enough general. But through various random “sources”(?) I now have the impression he probably wasn’t a bad person. So now I’m curious. Certainly I wouldn’t mind the full story.


message 12: by Trish (last edited Nov 06, 2017 06:40PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Trish Ah. Chernow is very appreciative of Grant. I don't recall him saying anything bad about him. It did kind of make me wonder what the other side was...what John Aaron Rawlins, Grant's close friend and aide-de-camp could say. Rawlins was completely aware of Grant's good points and failings. Or Grant's wife, who was also acquainted with Grant's good and bad points.


message 13: by Cheyanne (new)

Cheyanne Thanks for this very insightful and helpful review. I had been hesitating to approach this tome, but I am encouraged by your suggestion to absorb the book in parts if necessary and your recommendation of the audio version.


message 14: by Daniel (new)

Daniel Chaikin Trish wrote: "Ah. Chernow is very appreciative of Grant. I don't recall him saying anything bad about him. It did kind of make me wonder what the other side was...what his wife would say, for instance. She wasn'..."

My possibly misguided understanding is that he led a very corrupt administration. That, in general, reconstruction was not good for honest government and the Grant administration represents that in some way. Maybe I need to read the book and correct that impression.

He came up in Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, where briefly he appointed an especially talented head of the Indian affair bureau (I don’t recall the correct name) who was native American (Parker?) That was enlightened for the time. But Parker (?) was manipulated out of office. It left me with the impression of an nteresting president who was undermined by corrupt influence.

Elsewhere, Doris Kearns Goodwin adored him as a person. But that was under Lincoln.


Trish Yes, Chernow mentions Grant's appointment of the head of Indian Affairs but I do not recall a long discussion of the dealing with the Lakota in the Black Hills in 1876.

Chernow says the administration was corrupt because Grant relied heavily on military men who did not have political minds, because the South was virulent with resistance to leadership from a northerner, and because there was no civil service or standards for government work. In other words, it wasn't from lack of trying.


message 16: by Trish (last edited Nov 06, 2017 06:41PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Trish Cheyanne wrote: "Thanks for this very insightful and helpful review. I had been hesitating to approach this tome, but I am encouraged by your suggestion to absorb the book in parts if necessary and your recommendat..."

Thanks, Cheyanne. I have trouble reading history for some reason, maybe because of the reason Daniel points out: history seems so skew-able, depending on who is doing the telling. One almost needs to go back through and do one's own research to make sure the slant is right.

But it could be my brain just doesn't comprehend it for some reason I don't understand. I saw another GRer say, "history doesn't imprint well on me." That's it exactly.


Trish It appears Chernow discussed GRANT on C-span last weekend, so it is probably on Youtube by now.

Ron Chernow discusses his new biography of Ulysses S. Grant on @cspan's Q&A. Sunday @ 8p ET/PT. pic.twitter.com/90AAqmRB7h

— Ben O'Connell (@benjamin_oc) October 30, 2017




message 18: by Daniel (new)

Daniel Chaikin Trish - enjoying these posts. Just to put my perspective down, I don’t think history is so easily skew-able. Of course it is and perspectives vary, but there is a consensus on it and its methodology and there are underlying facts. And I’m generally comfortable with that consensus. And I think Chernow is super thorough and about as honest to that consensus and the available information as anyone. (I say that based on his Alexander Hamilton)

My only reason for the any disagreement with Chernow expressed above is that I’m under-informed. I haven’t read his book. This is the kind of discussion that makes really want to read it.


message 19: by Trish (last edited Nov 07, 2017 11:59AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Trish Daniel wrote: "Trish - enjoying these posts. Just to put my perspective down, I don’t think history is so easily skew-able. Of course it is and perspectives vary, but there is a consensus on it and its methodolog..."

Okay. I always assume everyone knows more than I do about history, since it is one of the areas I have neglected. Check out Stephen Z's review of this book to see if it answers anything for you.


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Ted Unlike Alan (#2), I can't really imagine that this book would not be MORE enticing than Grant's own memoirs, which are about his leadership during the civil war almost exclusively. IIrc I gave it a pretty good rating, but nevertheless this review, Trish, really attracts me to this bio.


Trish Thanks, Ted. As a result of reading this book I have been looking at a biography of Hamilton Fish by Allan Nevins, which won a Pulitzer back in 1934 (? or something like that). Would like to encourage any 19th C American history scholar to consider making a new biography of Fish. Seems like it could be a big success. This guy had it all.


Nooilforpacifists I still don’t get it: Grant’s autobiography is so good, why should I devote precious time to the same subject?


message 23: by Trish (last edited Dec 21, 2017 12:28PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Trish Nooilforpacifists wrote: "I still don’t get it: Grant’s autobiography is so good, why should I devote precious time to the same subject?"

Good question. Read his autobiography first. This is much more comprehensive than Grant could do himself, and there is something to be said from viewing a man from the way he presents, not just what he thinks he presents. For instance, Trump thinks himself a great man, and yet an objective biography might include what Angela Merkel thought of him.


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Patrick Whitman Any omissions in the text between p. 514 and 531?


Trish Patrick wrote: "Any omissions in the text between p. 514 and 531?"

I was listening to it. Do not have a copy now.


message 26: by Bill (new) - rated it 5 stars

Bill Yeadon I agree the audio is unbelievably long but Chernow kept my interest all the way through. Listening to his last days almost brought me to tears.


Trish Yes, massive undertaking, but you are right, it is quite the life. Wonder if Chernow burst into tears as he was finishing it...he seems to like long books. So many of his are long.


BarbaraW Grant’s autobiography is not the same as this bio. G discusses his early life thru the Civil War. Period. His autob is much more comprehensive. Grant had Skelton’s in his closet he chose not to discuss and instead chose his life leading up thru his greatest triumph- the War.


Trish Yes, Barbara, thank you. I haven't read his autobio yet. I was just thinking of that the other day, because I am listening to James Clapper's book, Facts and Fears: Hard Truths from a Life in Intelligence. In a way, I would prefer to hear someone else's analysis of his time in office because we get the edited version--the gosh-darn "I ain't so great" false modesty or the blatant apologist I-did-nothing-wrong versions--of critical decisions.


Peter What I got from the Chernow book that I did not get from his autobiography was his character. He was a no nonsense, down to earth man. He was good at logistics, and map reading. And he was stubborn. Sherman also had these characteristics. The Sherman memoirs are also good, though long.


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