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The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William L. Shirer
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This is quite a dry book full of technical detail about the state of Germany, of its politics, and, as promised, the rise of the Nazis.

Buried deep inside is a brief section (copied below) that looks up from the statistics of the holocaust to give this harrowing eye-witness account, which has stayed with me for the 30-odd years since I read it. Particularly, the part where the girl points to herself and says her age - probably because I was around that age when I read it.

It is difficult to believe these things happened. But they did. Even more difficult to understand that on a smaller scale things like this still happen time and again.

“Without screaming or weeping these people undressed, stood around in family groups, kissed each other, said farewells and waited for a sign from another S.S. man, who stood near the pit, also with a whip in his hand. During the fifteen minutes that I stood near the pit I heard no complaint or plea for mercy… An old woman with snow-white hair was holding a one-year-old child in her arms and singing to it and tickling it. The child was cooing with delight. The parents were looking on with tears in their eyes. The father was holding the hand of a boy about 10 years old and speaking to him softly; the boy was fighting his tears. The father pointed to the sky, stroked his head and seemed to explain something to him. At that moment the S.S. man at the pit shouted something to his comrade. The latter counted off about twenty persons and instructed them to go behind the earth mound…

I well remember a girl, slim and with black hair, who, as she passed close to me, pointed to herself and said: “twenty-three years old.” I walked around the mound and found myself confronted by a tremendous grave. People were closely wedged together and lying on top of each other so that only their heads were visible. Nearly all had blood running over their shoulders from their heads. Some of the people were still moving. Some were lifting their arms and turning their heads to show that they were still alive. The pit was already two-thirds full. I estimated that it contained about a thousand people. I looked for the man who did the shooting. He was an S.S. man, who sat at the edge of the narrow end of the pit, his feet dangling into the pit. He had a tommy gun on his knees and was smoking a cigarette.

The people, completely naked, went down some steps and clambered over the heads of the people lying there to the place to which the S.S. man directed them. They lay down in front of the dead or wounded people; some caressed those who were still alive and spoke to them in a low voice. Then I heard a series of shots. I looked into the pit and saw that the bodies were twitching or the heads lying already motionless on top of the bodies that lay beneath them. Blood was running from their necks. The next batch was approaching already. They went down into the pit, lined themselves up against the previous victims and were shot. And so it went, batch after batch. The next morning the German engineer returned to the site. I saw about thirty naked people lying near the pit. Some of them were still alive…

Later the Jews still alive were ordered to throw the corpses into the pit. Then they themselves had to lie down in this to be shot in the neck… I swear before God that this is the absolute truth.”



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message 1: by Agnes (new)

Agnes Yes, it is amazing how fast people turn cruel, no matter when or where. Our potential for senseless cruelty and destruction is sadly our strongest trait. :(


message 2: by Relstuart (new)

Relstuart If you haven't read Ordinary Men, Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland by Christopher Browning, it's a fascinating look at how you can get ordinary people to do terrible things.


message 3: by Brad (new) - added it

Brad Great response, Ben. I'll just file you under the, "The HolOcAUst wAsn'T aS baD As PeopLe cLaiM!" crowd.

Have a good day.


message 4: by Agnes (new)

Agnes Benjamin wrote: "Other historians"

Name them.
Oh, and (ex-)nazis don't count.


message 5: by Agnes (new)

Agnes Benjamin wrote: "Lol like i answer to you or something. Get over yourself"

Ah, they're the famous vague "others"... the ones that somehow never end up having an identity.
Or else they're all (ex-)nazis.

Guess I'll trust the above mentioned book, and not the "opinion" of your non-existant or nazi "other historians".


Brogan Bunner As far as I've been able to tell, the main issue people / critics take with the book written during the 50s, is that it addresses homosexuality within the early Nazi party as "sexually deviant," among other terms. Considering the more egregious slurs & condemnations people used during that time, I'd say the way Shirer handles it isn't so bad.

If you'd like some sources, I'd say pick a popular retailer / book reviewing site like Audible or Amazon and look through low-star ratings. The central points are all the same.


message 7: by Emmy (new)

Emmy If you're interested in accounts from people who were there, and stories that aren't so dry as mark calls the book mentioned above, I can highly recommend Last Train Auschwitz, by Eddy de Wind which was written from inside a camp by a Dutch jew. He writes quite 'objectively' if that's possible, but you may need to keep some tissues ready. I know I did.


message 8: by Mark (last edited Aug 19, 2022 04:57AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Mark Lawrence Emmy wrote: "If you're interested in accounts from people who were there, and stories that aren't so dry as mark calls the book mentioned above, I can highly recommend Last Train Auschwitz, by Eddy de Wind whic..."

The dry accounts are harrowing enough for me. I've never been one to seek out real horror in any detail, but I feel it deeply.

It's a subject that should be pursued far enough that it leaves an imprint sufficient that you'll not forget. Care needs to be taken that it doesn't become a dehumanising form of entertainment, what they call "torture porn" or "misery porn" these days.

And I think too much exposure desensitizes. In modern times it's too easy to forget these were real people and we're not reading a horror story, watching a film, playing a game.


message 9: by Stephen (new)

Stephen Wallace Great review. People or groups still try to be dictators. Propaganda still works including de-humanizing other people. People are easily fooled and much harder to help them realized they have been fooled and to stop to think.


Eastcide You can get only one narrative for the Holocaust, I ask why can't you get the other?


message 11: by Sean (new)

Sean Whatshisface Eastcide wrote: "You can get only one narrative for the Holocaust, I ask why can't you get the other?"

The other being....the nazi's?


message 12: by Shaun (new)

Shaun I visited Auschwitz-Birkenau a few years ago. It's difficult to describe how horrible it is.


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