Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Series of Video Games
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. Daniel Bryant 03:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- delete - non-verifiable information. not notable. article contains very little research beyond the organizations own website. see no encyclopedic value to it remaining on Wikipedia. ZBrannigan 00:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- keep Google around a bit, view the sources. The WSVG, although only one year old, is one of the largest professional video gaming circuits around, most notably in Counter-Strike and Quake 4 competitions. It is home to very notable competitors, such as Manuel Schenkhuizen, Jonathan Wendel, and Johan Quick. The upcoming season features $750,000 in prize money, which is more than for instance the World Cyber Games, the Cyberathlete Professional League, and the Electronic Sports World Cup have to offer. The notability seems clear to me. -- Laurens Hoek 19:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- comment - Articles here are written to be encyclopedic, not to inspire others to research the subject further on Google. Furthermore, the original sources cited were barely grammatically correct let alone reputable or journalistic in nature. ZBrannigan 02:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- comment Naturally, the article needs some work, that's why it is a stub. However, this has nothing to do with notability (which this AfD was started for). Rather than being deletionist, maybe take some effort to improve the article instead.. -- Laurens Hoek 11:08, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- comment Naturally, what you're saying is that totally baseless and untrue facts can be presented as fact on Wikipedia. I know you're probably upset that something you created should be deleted. Pick a substantiated topic that can be proven outside of its own domain and I'm sure you won't have a problem creating wikis in the future. -- Chemten 20:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- comment No, that's not what I'm saying. All the facts presented are in fact true and based. The WSVG finals were aired on MTV [1] and CSTV [2]. WSVG 2006 received major coverage from both e-Sports websites and mainstream press [3] [4] [5] [6]. The prize money for the upcoming season will be $750,000 [7]. In comparison, prize money for other prestigious tournaments is $500,000 (ESWC) [8], and $462,000 (WCG) [9]. The notability is obvious. None of that has anything to do with me originally creating the article. -- Laurens Hoek 10:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- comment - This article meets all standards for deletion under 2.1 of WP:N. I'm not sure what I could do to convince anyone here of that. - Who is this?
- comment No, that's not what I'm saying. All the facts presented are in fact true and based. The WSVG finals were aired on MTV [1] and CSTV [2]. WSVG 2006 received major coverage from both e-Sports websites and mainstream press [3] [4] [5] [6]. The prize money for the upcoming season will be $750,000 [7]. In comparison, prize money for other prestigious tournaments is $500,000 (ESWC) [8], and $462,000 (WCG) [9]. The notability is obvious. None of that has anything to do with me originally creating the article. -- Laurens Hoek 10:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- comment Naturally, what you're saying is that totally baseless and untrue facts can be presented as fact on Wikipedia. I know you're probably upset that something you created should be deleted. Pick a substantiated topic that can be proven outside of its own domain and I'm sure you won't have a problem creating wikis in the future. -- Chemten 20:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- comment Naturally, the article needs some work, that's why it is a stub. However, this has nothing to do with notability (which this AfD was started for). Rather than being deletionist, maybe take some effort to improve the article instead.. -- Laurens Hoek 11:08, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- comment - Articles here are written to be encyclopedic, not to inspire others to research the subject further on Google. Furthermore, the original sources cited were barely grammatically correct let alone reputable or journalistic in nature. ZBrannigan 02:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- comment I vote to delete - these 'esports' organizations are often fly by night operations that have a maximum shelf life of no more than a few months to a year. If we listed every operation that sprung up as "notable", then we'd have to include joe bob's truck shop down the street too. Also, if we put articles on every flash in the pan org, we'd also have to put an article on Cyber X Games. Google it ;) Troymaclure 22:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- comment - Do you see a article about CXG? It's a non argument that because there have been failed competitive gaming organisations that succesful ones should not be included. Most humans are pretty un-notable as well, but I can think of a few of them that have articles. - Zerter 12:20, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 12:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. — Kaustuv Chaudhuri 13:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, WjBscribe 01:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Not notable, not enough independent sources. Game over. Realkyhick 23:32, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. - I've expanded the article and included a number of additional sources mostly from various respected competitive gaming media. The WSVG is a notable organisation and effort should be put into improving the article not into deleting it. - Zerter 12:20, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - As noted in discussion above, subject does seem to have quite a bit of news coverage. Meets WP:ORG. Danski14(talk) 17:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment There are many other sources to attribute claims to besides "sk-gamming.com". Those links seem to not be working right now for some reason, and may need to be replaced. Danski14(talk) 17:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. notable and verifiable --Wedderkop 06:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep sources are authentic, and subject meets WP:ORG notability requirements. Jerry 20:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Article could be cleaned up, but it should not be deleted. --Darth Borehd 01:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.