Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toronto-area roads (group 2)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No Consensus. R e dwolf24 (talk) 23:08, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Toronto-area roads (group 2)

Bulk delete these roads: Brimley Road, Birchmount Road, Pemberton Avenue, Parkwoods Village Drive (Toronto), and Wilson Avenue (Toronto). None of these has any cultural or historic significance. This is a continuation of consensus-building for road articles.

For background, see these AfDs for previously deleted roads:

and these additional AfDs:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steeles Avenue - kept major street
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Broadview Avenue (Toronto) - no consensus (8-4 to delete)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Preston Street (Ottawa) - likely to be moved to article about neighbourhood
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Woodroffe Avenue - likely to be deleted (given the current vote tally)

Note that this batch of roads have about the same stature as those listed in the previous Toronto-area roads batch. Mindmatrix 17:39, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Only ever even heard of the first two, and I'm a native Torontonian. Delete. ♥purplefeltangel ^(talk) ♥ ^(contribs) 17:59, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. These entries are too specific to be useful. They need to be grouped into a parent article that discusses the road network or transportation. The only thing that links to these articles are other road articles, although a couple have links from a community but the main article only mentions the road exists (ie. list). --maclean25 20:18, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. These are roadmaps in words with no indication why the roads would be significant. Pilatus 21:55, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, nn roads. User:Zoe|^(talk) 23:06, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Wilson Avenue (Toronto) (long street, has a subway stop, formerly a terminus and near a major subway yard) and Brimley Road (Scarborough RT stop at Ellesmere & Brimley); delete the rest. Andrew pmk | Talk 23:53, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Question. But do you believe they could ever become decent articles? If so, what can you say about the roads, aside from their geopgraphic position/orientation, the orgins of their names, and a list of whatever exists within a 50m radius of the road. --maclean25 00:51, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment: Who built it, and when. The civil engineering behind it. Images of the road through time. Notable historical people that lived or died there. Parades that use it, demonstrations that happened on it. A discussion of people displaced by its construction, and the people who demanded it. At least some roads have history. Jkelly
    - Reply. That is a great list. I hope one day Wikipedia can be expanded to include all this. As we can all see from these short existing article we are a long ways away from that. I like your suggestion of merging into a parent article. Instead of creating thousands of stubs, lets create a few decent articles. We can expand from there as new sources of information (Ministy of Transportation?) becomes available. --maclean25 03:52, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'd suggest creating an article Major Roads in Toronto, Ontario. Merge at least the first two with that proposed article, and, at such a time when the information on any individual road is sufficient, create an article devoted to the street. Some roads may never get there, while others will demonstrate their encyclopedic nature through a natural wiki process of expansion. Jkelly 03:15, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Merge the major roads into Major roads in Toronto - delete the non-major ones. Grutness...wha? 04:56, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Brimley Road, Birchmount Road and Wilson Avenue (Toronto) into Major roads in Toronto. Delete the others. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:56, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've got some feelings about some of these postings, as I created at least one of these Articles Parkwoods Village Drive (Toronto)....If it is of consensus that PV Drive be condensed into Ellesmere Road and/or York Mills; you have my blessings;
- Wilson Avenue; a major road; unfortunate that Toronto has not tried to put Ellesmere, York Mills, and Wilson into one name across Toronto; if it is the will of you folks; perhaps merge these three (and Parkwoods Village) into one....
- Pemberton Avenue--delete; likely submitted by a resident.
- Brimley Road--keep; Entry acess to Scarborough Bluffs, Scarborough Historical Museum, Thomson Park, Scarborough Town Centre, etc....
- Birchmount Road delete, but only if Warden Avenue is reinstated! BTW, Birchmount Stadium is at foot of road....
- Broadview Avenue; I've already stated my case, but could also be merged into Don Mills Road
- Woodroffe Avenue (ottawa)--Keep part of Transitway.
- Preston Avenue (ottawa) no opinion.

User:bacl-presby; edited 19:09, 27 September 2005.

As I've pointed out before, "there are notable things on this road" does not equal "the road itself is culturally significant". Yonge Street, for example, is culturally significant because rightly or wrongly, it is listed in the Guinness Book of Records as the world's longest street. It does not get its significance from what happens to be on it. To deserve an encyclopedia article, these are the kinds of questions that need to be answered in the affirmative:

Does the street lend its name via metonymy to an entire industry (eg. Bay Street, Wall Street, Broadway?)
Is it listed in the Guinness Book of Records for something?
Is it so famous that a person who's never even seen a map of the city in their lives might still conceivably have heard of it?
Is it closely linked to a major historical event or political controversy?
Does it have some unique feature like Syracuse's upside-down traffic light or Lombard Street's switchbacks?
Is it on a Monopoly board? (And yes, Canadian Monopoly counts.)
Is it the primary ceremonial boulevard (eg. Sussex Drive, Pennsylvania Avenue) in the nation's capital?
Have TV shows been named after it?

Being an important traffic route within the city it's located in, or having significant things located on it, do not make a street encyclopedia-worthy. None of the streets in this debate meet any criterion of notability higher than these two, so delete all. Bearcat 22:11, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all -- Earl Andrew - talk 04:20, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Pemberton Avenue? You're kidding, right? Completely trivial residential streets less than three blocks long are encyclopedic now? Bearcat 05:00, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. Lists of the directions streets go, which streets they intersect, and "things to see" along the road are all non-encyclopedic. Do these articles say anything about why the streets are important? Can you use them to find an address or place? Does it say if the street is a good place for a home or business? No, the articles are completely useless. If someone wanted real, useful information about a street and Googled this, they would decide Wikipedia is worthless. -- Corvus 17:03, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all and stop the bullshit mass nominations. zOMG ROADCRUFT --SPUI (talk) 22:59, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- On what grounds is Pemberton Avenue keepable? Bearcat 03:01, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete-Just a street that is not well known. Dudtz 9/29/05 6:09 PM EST

Keep all These roads are important to people in Toronto, and at least there is the (Toronto) after the name so they are disambiguated... --Rschen7754 05:37, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- purplefeltangel said above that he is from Toronto and he has voted delete. User:Zoe|^(talk) 21:55, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.