Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Julio Foolio

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The result was no consensus‎. No penalty for bringing this article back to AFD once it is not such a fresh topic in the news. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Julio Foolio[edit]

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Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:MUSICBIO. No indication of awards or charted songs. No notable biographical details prior to his death. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Bands and musicians, Music, and Florida. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete we don't need every ganga rapper who have been shot dead. Not notable enough — Iadmc ♫^talk 11:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

if you actually do research you would now he has bean a notable artist in Florida since about 2018 2600:8805:D1B:7500:1322:CAB:414A:D0A0 (talk) 19:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC) - — 2600:8805:D1B:7500:1322:CAB:414A:D0A0 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Delete: Doesn't pass musical notability; coverage is only about his death. I gave up after 20 pages in Gnews trying to find mentions of him before his passing. Simply not a notable performer. Oaktree b (talk) 16:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Rapper is notable. Particularly within Florida. Jattlife121 (talk) 20:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this page, definitely. I have known about this rapper for years, and I am not a big rap fan. The fact that he has been known for so long indicates notability. Dag21902190 (talk) 12:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NMUSIC. Another no-name rapper whose death has made more headlines than his (non-notable) music. Dead rappers always make headlines no matter how obscure they are. Changing vote to keep after performing article cleanup. There is considerable coverage about the subject, but it's mainly about his role in the Jville gang wars while his actual music career is virtually irrelevant. Would also like to see primary SoundCloud citations replaced with reliable sources. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 21:41, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. We need to keep this up. STGInfo (talk) 14:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Perhaps this article should be about his death? It got major coverage in many major outlets. Thriley (talk) 22:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Rapper is notable. Particularly within Florida especially in Jacksonville and through the south. He has many notations in different news articles. Foolio is also is featured on Pimp of the Nation album by Natalac Featuring international recording artist sean paul, grammy award winning Project Pat, Three 6 Mafia Member La Chat, Pastor Troy, Ying Yang Twins, Keak da Sneak to name a few who all are very Notable rappers Yameka (talk) 03:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

His death is certainly covered but his music and life? We need sources for these.@Yameka — Iadmc ♫^talk 06:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

https://www.abnewswire.com/pressreleases/pimp-of-the-nation-a-sensational-new-hiphop-album-by-natalac-to-be-released-on-presidents-day-2192018_184054.html Yameka (talk) 00:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yameka (talk • contribs) 23:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.allmusic.com/album/pimp-of-the-nation-mw0003174654

https://www.allmusic.com/album/pimp-of-the-nation-mw0003174654#credits

https://www.makinitmag.com/updates/natalac/2018/03/djs-says-natalac-pimp-nation-lp-classic-material

https://g.co/kgs/m6zgJcJ

Also there are Radio Edit and Explicit versions released Pimp of the Nation & Pimp of the Nation (Radio Edit)

This project was released Presidents Day 2018 aka feb 19th 2018 in hard copies throughout the south and online on all platforms Yameka (talk) 23:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

News Article .. First Coast News contacted Jacksonville Rapper Natalac and got his and the sheriff of Jacksonville input on Julio Foolio outcome. Natalac with his decades of experince with Hip Hop & younger rappers he worked with through messages through music.. he chose Foolio for his 11th Studio Album with grammy award winners etc. with their song Bridge This Gap a song to send a positive message. On natalac Pimp of the Nation. going by this article

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbEiSj5yhHA

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/jacksonville-rapper-natalac-experience-with-foolio/77-6c775f01-b3bf-4232-8611-36190b187882 Yameka (talk) 00:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Yameka Don't double or triple-vote, please. Bremps... 04:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ok i fixed that. Good day Yameka (talk) 07:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Artist is fails notability guidelines. There's barely any coverage I could find apart from his death. ~~I do think we could have an article about his death like @Thriley suggested, though.~~ DaCrashy (T.C.) 16:34, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:ONEEVENT. --Magnolia677 (talk) 18:20, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Interesting how all the “keep” votes are repeating the “he’s notable because he’s from Florida” mantra, and verbatim to boot (“Rapper is notable. Particularly within Florida”). Florida does not represent the entire country. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 19:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Or indeed the world! — Iadmc ♫^talk 04:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Florida is the third most populated state so to be one of the most popular in Florida/Rap music itself is a great accomplishment who most of the world watches/listen if you enjoy rap 2600:1700:6740:D20:51CA:C9A6:A6F6:2F22 (talk) 13:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. While BIO1E and 1E are extremely important these don't apply here. Wikipedians apply these too much after violent deaths. In a way this makes sense. It's an unusual feature. Still, we should work by policy and guidelines. The keep is by GNG. gidonb (talk) 15:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GNG. Foolio was the subject of multiple independent coverage even before his death. In 2019, Vulture.com, in reviewing Never Wanted Fame, wrote the mixtape "establishes Foolio as one of the most gripping, irresistible rappers working today." In 2021, Vice credited Foolio, along with Yungeen Ace, as playing a leading role in popularizing rap versions of pop songs. His feuds with other rappers have been covered by Atlanta Black Star [1] among others, and he received significant coverage in a 2021 Complex.com article on the Jacksonville rap community. [2]. Police blotter news articles about his shootings and death can fill in the gaps for a concise, neutral, and fair biography that is fully compliant with all WP policies. --Animalparty! (talk) 17:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no point in creating an article for someone who was irrelevant as a rapper when alive and a gangster 103.75.195.51 (talk) 02:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The majority does seem to find his article valid in this discussion. Although opinion and guidelines are two different things I understand. 2600:1005:A017:1BB:A844:C313:B47E:CA62 (talk) 19:55, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The article has been significantly improved since nomination. Passes GNG. Thriley (talk) 04:22, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've spent the past hour removing all the original research and unsourced content shovelled in yesterday as part of the "improvement". Magnolia677 (talk) 10:46, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still think he meets GNG based on the material Animalparty collected. Thriley (talk) 15:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Rapper is notable and article has been improved a lot. Elektrinhooo (talk) 09:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep worked with famous producer Zaytoven, viral diss tracks, multiple articles and videos covering Foolio and the jacksonville gang war. Tabratic (talk) 14:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not notable enough and makes the same music as any gangsta rapper — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.75.195.51 (talk) 18:54, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment every gangsta rapper talks about the same stuff in their music. most of what’s popular today is “gangsta rap” Tabratic (talk) 19:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment that doesnot mean they should have their own page especially when his songs were not even blowin upp 103.75.195.51 (talk) 04:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tabratic and 103.75.195.51: Please do not double vote. Bremps... 18:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Duplicate votes struck or modified as comments. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 22:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Enough coverage to establish notability. Fair for me to say passes GNG-- Robertjamal12 ~🔔 16:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep: Received coverage in several sources considered reliable by WP:MUSIC/SOURCE prior to his passing. Here are some examples: AllHipHop, HotNewHipHop, HipHopDx This could further be supported by a WP:GNG table. Célestin Denis (talk) 00:46, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More policy based input please
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 12:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in accordance with User:Célestin Denis. No major charting or certification does not disqualify coverage. Foolio is notable. Atomicpowur (talk) 01:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Foolio is definitely a noticeable and well-renowned artist. I wouldn't delete this page. He falls under the category of hip-hop artists killed by gun violence. Which has its on list of all notable hip-hop artists that have died. There is more information about him within interviews hosted online. 2600:1005:A017:1BB:A844:C313:B47E:CA62 (talk) 19:52, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Rapper is notable. Keep it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.173.111.140 (talk) 15:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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