UESPWiki:Administrator Noticeboard

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Spam Protection - Don't Allow Wiki Edits by IP addresses?[edit]

Sorry if this has been considered before (as I suspect it has, probably more than once), but I've noticed that most vandalism/nonsense edits relate to editors without accounts and/or users not logged in. I strongly suggest - while obviously not guaranteed to solve all such issues - all pages across the wiki should be locked from editing when the editor is not logged into a (free) account. It may go against the principle of the open nature of the wiki, but creating an account is free, and the ridiculous amount of vandalism routinely cropping up is a significant drain on the admins' limited time and detrimental to the wiki regardless. Thanks for the consideration! --Mikeprichard (talk) 04:55, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't think we've been struggling particularly badly with repeated vandalism of late? We have tools available to block and revert all vandalism, IP or otherwise. Reducing the pool of editors to avoid the issue seems like overcompensation to me. —⁠Legoless (talk) 09:46, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

To your first point, we have indeed considered blocking IP edits before, a couple of times, and every time the general consensus has been what Legoless just said. There are also a lot of useful edits coming from IP addresses, not just spam and vandalism. A recent example of this is New Page Requests, which has a ton of edits from one particular IP. – Robin Hood ^(talk) 15:25, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Understood - thanks for the replies and info! --Mikeprichard (talk) 09:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Watchlist and Recent Changes Options/Preferences?[edit]

One last question - for quite a while I've been hoping for two convenience options in user preferences: hiding pages' associated "talk" pages from the "watchlist", and selecting certain namespaces to hide from the "recent changes" view (e.g., I'm not interested in listing any "Online:" page changes). I understand the watchlist itself can be used to somewhat mitigate the second point, but are either of these options actually already available, and if so, how can I use them? If they're not available, could one or both please be considered for addition to the wiki? Thanks again! --Mikeprichard (talk) 09:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Under Recent Changes, Select one namespace: Online -> Invert selection -> Show. This will filter out ESO results. It will not hide the Online talk namespace however. I don't know of a way to exclude talk pages from RC or watchlist results. —⁠Legoless (talk) 10:15, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I somehow didn't look at that; thanks! But is there a way to filter out more than one namespace at the same time, or better yet, to only show "recent changes" to specific selected namespaces (I'm most interested in only the four namespaces Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim)? --Mikeprichard (talk) 10:31, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

This made me wonder what "Namespace: Turn on custom list" does on the RC page. The Setup link beside it goes to a preferences page unrelated to namespace filtering.

As a solution, check out my sandbox and the code below. I transcluded Recent Changes and used several parameters to specify what you want. The important difference here is that with transclusions, it lets you include multiple namespaces separated by semicolons.

{{Special:RecentChanges/days=90,limit=500,hidebots,namespace=104;110;116;134}}

See the other possible parameters on MediaWiki's Recent Changes help page.

This API result shows what UESP's namespace numbers are, in case you want to customize further.

—Dillonn241 (talk) 04:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Ha, I was JUST typing about how I snooped on your sandbox page (which I saw pop up on the Recent Changes list), and figured out exactly the above out based on that URL - thanks a lot for taking time to help me with this! I'd still like a way to hide "talk" pages from the Watchlist through a preferences option as well, but if that one's not possible or planned, so be it. Cheers! --Mikeprichard (talk) 04:41, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I can't find anything for addressing your watchlist question. You can't transclude it in the same way, and the "Associated namespace" feature only works to add talk pages for a namespace you select. I would just recommend going into your watchlist and purging talk pages once in awhile. —Dillonn241 (talk) 04:42, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Got it; thanks very much once again. If I knew how to bake you a plate of wiki cookies, I would. --Mikeprichard (talk) 04:43, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

(←) It's pretty clear from the design that they at least considered the option of watching article pages and talk pages separately, but right now, having them go hand in hand is pretty much baked in. I've tried removing one but not the other from my watchlist on a test wiki, and it worked, but being so baked in, it would take a significant rewrite to actually get that working through the UI. I'm pretty sure you couldn't even do it with an extension at this point. – Robin Hood ^(talk) 04:52, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I see - thanks for looking into it, and for the explanation! It would have been a nice option, but it's not a big deal.--Mikeprichard (talk) 05:03, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Username Change[edit]

Hello, I'd like to change my username to: Analeah Oaksong --Zebendal (talk) 02:49, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Done! —⁠Legoless (talk) 08:59, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Another vandalizing IP address-only account[edit]

159.2.53.105 - several nonsense/"blanking" edits to Skyrim pages today that have yet to be reverted. — Unsigned comment by Mikeprichard (talk • contribs) at 21:35 on 10 January 2024 (UTC)

172.251.169.141 - and another --Mikeprichard (talk) 02:24, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Looks like Jeancey got the first one and I warned and revision-deleted the second one a little earlier. Thanks! – Robin Hood ^(talk) 04:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

86.29.213.176 [1] - thanks, all; here's yet another. IP accounts being vandals continues to be the rule, not the exception, with at least daily incidents over the past couple weeks that I've noticed. --Mikeprichard (talk) 16:19, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Warned. As for IP accounts being primarily vandals, Recent Changes doesn't back you up on that. As of 14:27 (UTC) today, there have been 144 edits by 10 different IP addresses and two edits by one IP which appear to have been vandalism. Even if, for some reason, you discount the one prolific IP editor, there's still nearly a 10:1 ratio of good IP edits to vandalism. – Robin Hood ^(talk) 16:13, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

If that's the case (and I've certainly noticed the single extremely prolific IP editor making constructive edits), fair enough - I'm more just frustrated on your/the UESP's behalf that so much time must be spent on this incessant nonsense in order to maintain the integrity of the wiki. Some real nutjobs out there (other than me, I mean)! --Mikeprichard (talk) 16:19, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Hehehe. Unfortunately, that goes with the territory. Restricting edits to accounts only would almost certainly reduce the amount of vandalism, but some people are still willing to create accounts in order to vandalize, and in the meantime, we lose those edits by IP editors who don't feel their edit is worth creating an account for (which I'm guilty of myself on other wikis). – Robin Hood ^(talk) 16:24, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Username Change Request (3)[edit]

Hi, just wanted to drop the dash from my name to be consistent with my Discord. So, "ThalJ". Thal-J (talk) 13:09, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Done. – Robin Hood ^(talk) 18:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Patroller Access to MediaWiki space[edit]

While looking at how permissions work on the Starfield wiki, a few editors noticed that there were some changes in how access to the MediaWiki namespace was handled in later versions of MediaWiki. The reason for that is to limit even administrators' access to edit pages that could be used to really mess up the wiki or create security vulnerabilities. Respecting WMF's reasoning, I've separated out the ability to edit MediaWiki space from Patrollers and turned it into its own special group. This also allows employees like ThalJ to access it without needing any additional rights. At least for now, administrators' access remains unchanged, though some things will change automatically once we get to MW 1.32. For the sake of not overcomplicating this post, I'll save that discussion for whenever the time comes.

For now, this means that any patrollers who want to continue to be able to edit MediaWiki space will need to ask me or another admin for access to it. (Admins: you can do this by selecting "interface editor" in their groups.) Since we've agreed in the past that the wiki benefits from patrollers having access to MediaWiki, this is free for the asking, but for those same security reasons I mentioned, it makes sense not to give access to patrollers who will never use it or who feel less comfortable in that space. Feel free to reply here or tag/DM me on Discord if you're a patroller and would like access to MediaWiki space again. – Robin Hood ^(talk) 04:11, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, RobinHood. It's good to have these permissions separate, just like how we have blocker rights separate (there are a lot of inactive patrollers). I can't think of any patrollers off-hand who would need it right now, so we'll have to wait for requests. —Dillonn241 (talk) 04:16, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

ESO Scions of Ithelia PTS Release (Update 41)[edit]

• uespLog -- Might need one update in the sales data to not error.
• File Uploads -- Done!
• Champion Points -- Done!
• Skills -- Done!
• Skill Coefficients -- Done!
• Items -- Done!
• Icons -- Done!
• Maps -- New Maps Added/Uploaded!
• Build Editor -- Mostly done!
• Achievements - Done!
• Collectibles - Done!
• Antiquities - Done!

-- Daveh ^(talk) 16:07, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism blocked[edit]

Blocked Beaneater00 for inserting nonsense into page. User was warned and persisted in making disruptive edits. Reasonable time was allowed for the user to see the warning (two further edits were made after warning was issued). Block will require an extension. — Wolfborn^(Howl) 13:10, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Changed the block to indefinite. – Robin Hood ^(talk) 15:20, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

New Bureaucrat[edit]

Just a small announcement to say that RobinHood70 has been granted the Bureaucrat role by Daveh. This is UESP's first new Bureaucrat since Nephele's departure. —⁠Legoless (talk) 17:02, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Nice. Shoutout to Robin for bein such a chill guy The Rim of the Sky (talk) 17:57, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Great choice. Much better to have Robin with these rights than Nephele, who has been inactive for years. It was only a few weeks ago I suggested having those rights taken off. I'm confident he'll use the rights well, in the few cases they apply. —Dillonn241 (talk) 19:04, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

You already got my congratulations, but I'll reiterate that you're the perfect candidate for this. Happy to have a new bureaucrat on our team! --Ilaro (talk) 21:02, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Repeat vandal blocked[edit]

I have re-blocked a previously-blocked user whose block has expired and who has returned and made further disruptive edits to the wiki. Block will need to be extended. Cheers! — Wolfborn^(Howl) 20:30, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit: And both RobinHood and MolagBallet already got it. Thanks! — Wolfborn^(Howl) 20:38, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Administrator etiquette[edit]

I was hoping a neutral admin, perhaps one that wasn’t involved in the discussion could take a look at some of the recent edits and edit summaries of Jeancey, particularly the ones found on this page. The edit summaries that are passive aggressive are one matter, but some of the latest posts in the talk page itself are getting dangerously close to ad hominem if not already crossing that threshold. I would assume some of this stuff is pushing the boundaries of the etiquette guidelines for a standard user, nevermind an administrator who should serve as a standard setter for professionalism and proper etiquette. Dcking20 (talk) 22:56, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

While I agree that things started to go off the rails a little bit, it appears that they've recovered now, at least from what I can see. If you think I'm missing something egregious, feel free to DM me on Discord or send me an e-mail and point it out. I think the existence of this post in itself will serve as a reminder to everyone to try to keep their tempers under control, but I honestly don't see anything that needs any further action than that. – Robin Hood ^(talk) 02:14, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

ESO Scions of Ithelia Release (Update 40)[edit]

• uespLog -- Updated to 3.22 to fix a crash due to an API change.
• File Uploads -- Done!
• Skills -- Done!
• CP -- Done!
• Skill Coefficients -- Done!
• Icons/Images -- Done!
• Items -- Done!
• Maps -- No updated maps.
• Achievements -- Done!
• Collectibles -- Done!
• Book Data -- Done!
• Recipe Data -- Done!
• API -- Done!
• Build Editor -- Mostly done....

-- Daveh ^(talk) 20:21, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk page created in error[edit]

I accidentally made a talk page post on the wrong page. There was no prior content on the talk page. Not sure if it is standard policy to delete such pages or not but if so its Template talk:Heroes. My bad! Mindtrait0r (talk) 14:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Undo page move request for Daggerfall:On Oblivion[edit]

I'd appreciate someone taking a look at this minor issue I brought this up on the talk page. It looks like Daggerfall:On Oblivion was moved in error. Boustrophedon (talk) 10:49, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Moved, and replied to your talk page post there. – Robin Hood ^(talk) 14:38, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Interface Editor[edit]

Hi team - I was wondering if I could apply for Interface Editor permissions. That way I can keep on top of modspace pseudospaces that need to be created for the Modspace Project, as well as make any tweaks to Vector or the ESO colours in CSS without having to pester admins to do it. Thanks! --Enodoc (talk) 21:42, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

You are already an interface editor. Jeancey (talk) 21:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

ESO Gold Road PTS Release (Update 42)[edit]

• uespLog -- Latest version seems to work fine.
• File Uploads -- Done!
• Champion Points -- Done!
• Skills -- Done!
• Skill Coefficients -- Done!
• Items -- Done!
• Icons -- Done!
• Maps -- Done!
• Build Editor -- Mostly done!
• Achievements - Done!
• Collectibles - Done!
• Antiquities - Done!

-- Daveh ^(talk) 15:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

ESO Gold Road Release (Update 42)[edit]

• uespLog -- Updated to 3.24 to some issues.
• File Uploads -- Done!
• Skills -- Done!
• CP -- Done!
• Skill Coefficients -- Done!
• Icons/Images -- Done!
• Items -- Done!
• Maps -- Done!
• Achievements -- Done!
• Collectibles -- Done!
• Book Data -- Done!
• Recipe Data -- Done!
• API -- Done!
• Build Editor -- Mostly done....

-- Daveh ^(talk) 14:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

UESP:ESO Alchemy Calculator, tab "Learn"[edit]

Hi, I followed the first guide on the "Learn"-tab of page

https://esolog.uesp.net/viewPotions.php

to discover all the traits.

Quote: From level 1 Alchemy you can learn the traits of all reagents in 31 different combinations

But there are only 30 steps in this guide. And at the end there are traits left undiscovered for 2 reagents:

Dragon's Bile: trait "Vulnerability"

Fleshfly Larva: traits "Vulnerability" and "Vitality"

By combining the two reagents, all traits were discovered.

With the following 31st line the guide would be complete:

<li reagent1="Dragon's Bile" reagent2="Fleshfly Larva" reagent3="">Dragon's Bile + Fleshfly Larva</li>

(Edit: The result was always the same with multiple characters.)

IceMan (talk) 01:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, should be fixed in a minute. -- Daveh ^(talk) 18:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

ESO PTS (Update 43)[edit]

• uespLog -- Latest version seems to work fine.
• File Uploads -- Done
• Champion Points -- Done!
• Skills -- Done!
• Skill Coefficients -- Done!
• Items -- Done!
• Icons -- Done!
• Maps -- Done!
• Build Editor -- Mostly done!
• Achievements - Done!
• Collectibles - Done!
• Antiquities - Done!

-- Daveh ^(talk) 18:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Interface Editor Request[edit]

To make minor updates to darkmode.css as/when needed Kiz ^{(email - talk)} 22:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Done. – Robin Hood ^(talk) 22:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)