WikiEN-l January 2004

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Could we swap list names please ?
by Anthere 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

Could the whole discussion on Erik issues over Mother Teresa MOVE to the english list where it is relevant WHILE The whole discussion on watch list issues move from the english list to the general list, where it is relevant OR could we just swap mailing list names since discussions relevant on english matter are on the general list, while discussions relevant to the whole community are on the english list ? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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142.177 at his old tricks again
by Daniel Mayer 28 Mar '04

28 Mar '04

Sigh. Another thinly veiled threat from our dear friend 142.177. http://meta.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Maveric149&diff=1997… "Sadly, you didn't learn your lesson from your first attempt at slander and censure. There are very few things you will regret more in your life than defending your little clique of friends here, Daniel Mayer. What they are doing is wrong, racist, illegal, immoral and stupid. You seemed to realize this for a while, but, you have stepped back in, so, you deserve what you get. This is very sad. You seemed to have grown up. But obviously not." "There are very few things you will regret more in your life than defending your little clique of friends here, Daniel Mayer." Sounds a lot like a mobster telling a buisnessman that he will "regret" not doing what the mobster wants. Sigh. Sorry Craig Hubley (who lives in the Toranto area), but the only regret is that I gave you some slack. The hard ban will be enforced. If my mentioning the real name of 142.177 was out of line, then somebody delete this post. -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

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Re: [WikiEN-l] A danger of massive homework and research requests
by Daniel Ehrenberg 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

> From: daniwo59(a)aol.com > Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] A danger of massive homework > and research requests > Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:27:52 EST > To: wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org > > Wikipedia is becoming a resource. What more can we > ask for? I also answered, > like this: > > "Here's a hint for your homework: > Look up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_stream" > > It hardly delayed the expansion of Wikipedia. On the > other hand, I do think a > place or list for people to ask questions of this > kind is a good idea. In > fact, it would be helpful to us in finding out where > we should focus some of our > energies to fill in incomplete articles. We could > link to it from the Main > Page. > > Danny Isn't that what Wikibooks's completely neglected [[Study help desk]] was supposed to be for? LDan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

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Re: Homework and research direct requests
by Daniel P.B.Smith 01 Feb '04

01 Feb '04

It used to be true, and may still be, that when you bought a print copy of the Britannica and do all the things they want you to do (like subscribing to their yearbook), the price also entitled you to submit a limited number of research requests to the Britannica. You were allowed five a year, or something like that. Soooooo... by analogy... should the price that people pay for Wikipedia similarly entitle them to a limited number of research requests? :-) -- Daniel P. B. Smith, dpbsmith(a)world.std.com alternate: dpbsmith(a)alum.mit.edu "Elinor Goulding Smith's Great Big Messy Book" is now back in print! Sample chapter at http://world.std.com/~dpbsmith/messy.html Buy it at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1403314063/

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Re: A request for prayers (for the new servers!)
by Daniel P.B.Smith 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

> I would like to humbly request that we pray for God's blessing upon the > new servers -- that they will work well and that they will serve all of > humanity with accurate and useful knowledge. Just be sure to save one file containing a prayer onto each hard drive on each server... that's the equivalent 7200 PPM (prayers per minute). (Some extremely pious system administrators try to save one prayer per disk platter or even one prayer per disk surface). -- Daniel P. B. Smith, dpbsmith(a)world.std.com alternate: dpbsmith(a)alum.mit.edu "Elinor Goulding Smith's Great Big Messy Book" is now back in print! Sample chapter at http://world.std.com/~dpbsmith/messy.html Buy it at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1403314063/

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A request for prayers (for the new servers!)
by Poor, Edmund W 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

I would like to humbly request that we pray for God's blessing upon the new servers -- that they will work well and that they will serve all of humanity with accurate and useful knowledge. For those of you who do not believe in God, try this formula: "Oh, God, if there is a God..." Ed Poor, aka Uncle Ed

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Re: Spam Assassin
by Daniel Ehrenberg 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

> It kills zip files, too, but this shouldn't be a > problem for the mailing > list. In fact we might want to filter all mails that > contain attachments - > use URLs instead. > > Regards, > > Erik I don't think that's such a good idea, since some people attach PGP public keys to all of their outgoing mail. LDan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

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Spam Assassin
by Poor, Edmund W 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

Gabriel wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:01:34 +0100, Anthere wrote: > > > We just can't have an open list any more, > > if a solution to found for 1) limit spam > > 2) improve security for the recipiendaries > > I have spamassassin running on my server for all mail > accounts- it works just great- even without training. > Filtered 1600 spams in the last three months, missed > four, no false positives. Brion, Can we install Spam Assassin software on the wikien-l mailing list? How about other mailing lists? Anthere and I have gotten tired of reading and deleting up to 30 daily spam, spam, spam, ham, eggs and spam (hasn't got MUCH spam in it) every day -- the joke gets old after a while. Ed Poor Wikien-l Admin Emeritus

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Re: [WikiEN-l] External links
by Daniel Ehrenberg 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

> I personally think that the BBC is horribly > biased, and so I was > alarmed to see how often we link to them, as > compared to other sources > that may give a > more "fair and balanced" perspective (yes, you > know what I mean, and > yes I'm having fun). That's strange. I always thought of you as free-thinking and rational. LDan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

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External links
by Jimmy Wales 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

Which subdomains are linked to most often as 'external links' in Wikipedia? Looking for bias in this list is a dangerous activity. I personally think that the BBC is horribly biased, and so I was alarmed to see how often we link to them, as compared to other sources that may give a more "fair and balanced" perspective (yes, you know what I mean, and yes I'm having fun). HOWEVER, a huge proportion of hte BBC links are from the page *about* the BBC, which links to lots of divisions of the BBC. Most of the other cases are similar. Still, I found the list interesting enough to pass along... us.imdb.com - 519 www.geocities.com - 487 www.imdb.com - 327 www.wikipedia.org - 297 www.bbc.co.uk - 271 onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu - 267 www.nytimes.com - 258 www.house.gov - 202 www.guardian.co.uk - 190 dmoz.org - 166 www.ietf.org - 156 www.cnn.com - 149 34sp.eurosong.net - 149 www.google.com - 137 www.nobel-winners.com - 136 www.nobel.se - 132 www.pbs.org - 132 www.meritbadge.com - 121 members.aol.com - 120 quote.wikipedia.org - 119 www.washingtonpost.com - 118 www.ibiblio.org - 117 www.webelements.com - 111 www.yale.edu - 106 www.indianchild.com - 106 www.world-gazetteer.com - 100 www.nps.gov - 99 www.duke.edu - 98 www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov - 97 environmentalchemistry.com - 97 www.newadvent.org - 96 www.angelfire.com - 91 www.itis.usda.gov - 90 www.amazon.com - 85 www.baseball-reference.com - 83 www.cbc.ca - 83 www.wired.com - 80 www.ethnologue.com - 80 www.heise.de - 80 www.w3.org - 79 members.tripod.com - 78 www.research.att.com - 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29 www.unicode.org - 29 caselaw.lp.findlaw.com - 29 www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk - 29 www.tvtome.com - 29 www.battle.net - 29 www.foxnews.com - 29 www.npr.org - 29 www.ex.ac.uk - 28 www.msnbc.com - 28 www.statistik.admin.ch - 28 www.newscientist.com - 28 story.news.yahoo.com - 28 www.eia.doe.gov - 28 web.archive.org - 28 www.cbsnews.com - 28 earthobservatory.nasa.gov - 28 www.olympic.org - 28 www.sfgate.com - 28 imdb.com - 28 www.astronautix.com - 27 usinfo.state.gov - 27 etext.library.adelaide.edu.au - 27 ourworld.compuserve.com - 27 www.peakware.com - 27 www.pokemondungeon.com - 27 pdreader.org - 26 skepdic.com - 26 education.jlab.org - 26 msdn.microsoft.com - 26 www.mozilla.org - 26 www.shakespeare-literature.com - 26 www.tate.org.uk - 26 www.acmuller.net - 25 www.epa.gov - 25 www.cia.gov - 25 www.egs.edu - 25 edition.cnn.com - 25 sourceforge.net - 25 www.sacred-texts.com - 25 mozillaquest.com - 25 www.grida.no - 24 www.lysator.liu.se - 24 www.rcsb.org - 24 www.usatoday.com - 24 www.sff.net - 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